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F1's GENIUS Damper Trick Was So Good It Was Banned

Renault and Fernando Alonso were dominant through the mid-2000s. But it wasn’t just Fernando’s crazy driving style that gave them such pace - the car had a genius mechanical device - fitted to the nose of the car that made it extremely stable and gave it much more grip than any of the other cars on the grid.
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It was an idea that Renault copied from Skyscrapers - where they use a large suspended mass to counteract the swaying of the building.
They came up with a condensed-down version and fitted it to the car. It gained them downforce, made the car much more confidence-inspiring through the corners and gained them huge lap time.
But how did Renault take something from a skyscraper and use it to make their F1 car so dominant?
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In 2005, new regulations meant the front wing had to be 50mm higher than in previous years. So the teams often lowered the whole car to get the new wing to be closer to the ground and therefore more effective.
However, this meant the springs needed to be much stiffer to stop the car bottoming out - which then caused another problem.
As the tyres hit bumps or clipped curbs - the car experienced pretty serious vibrations - typically this led to the nose pitching up and down around 8-10 times a second, completely ruining the airflow over the front wing leading to a huge reduction in downforce.
It also led to the grip levels changing through the corner - making the cars very unpredictable and difficult for the drivers to drive at the limit.
So Renault developed a Tuned Mass Damper for the 2005 season - this was a device that would oppose any up and down vibrations, making the car more driveable and improving grip. So how did it work?
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  1. Driver61

    Driver61

    2 kuukautta sitten

    What do you think of this genius solution? Would you want to see Mass Dampers back in F1?

    • Adamast

      Adamast

      7 päivää sitten

      The 2CV (citroen) had tuned mass dampers at the front

    • Will4May

      Will4May

      15 päivää sitten

      @Miguel Fernández Gotta be safe so bring the auto suspension Mansell had in the Williams, also, side skirts, six wheels and a huge fan.

    • Juan Martinez

      Juan Martinez

      17 päivää sitten

      Innovation control is what got F1 into its current problems. Backmarkers can’t catch up because they don’t have the funds to develop, invent, test, etc. Free them up to innovate whatever will help get them back in the mix. Then stop banning said device so other teams can develop their own answers to said innovation. Presto - we have tighter and more exciting competition and technological progress. But as in all things, politics and control get in the way of common sense. I know there needs to be some regard for safety but if a team wants to play, let them pay. It’s up to them to control their finances. And in that note, stop giving all the money to the top teams!! This is a world racing series entertaining fans around the world!! Revenue should be doled out equally across the board! The top 3 should maybe be awarded a separate amount based on season results. But that’s it! The rest should be evenly distributed. That will also help backmarkers hunt for the front and, dare I say it, be MORE ENTERTAINING!!

    • mario alvarez villa

      mario alvarez villa

      19 päivää sitten

      They'll move too fast. Which i guess is a bad thing now. Thanks f1

    • Michael M

      Michael M

      Uukausi sitten

      Interesting. I don’t honestly follow F1 and never knew they used tmd’s. I’ve been involved in aerospace engineering professionally and motorcycle racing as hobby. Tmd’s are used commonly in both industries. Dorna & IRTA, the managing series director and rules/safety body for MotoGP, have no such ban on tmd’s which are used in majority of bikes on grid after having been introduced in tail fairing of Ducati’s GP17, 5 seasons ago.

  2. Jorge Serodio

    Jorge Serodio

    13 tuntia sitten

    So that's why Alonso was so dominant...

  3. hurrdurr

    hurrdurr

    4 päivää sitten

    2005-2006 was probably my favorite F1 era... There was just something so amusing in an "underdog" racing team such as Renault back then to just clap everyone else's cheeks out of nowhere, as well as being dominated by a relatively "new" driver in the scene. (Yes he did debut in 2001 but you basically barely knew this guy existed till 2003 when he won his first race)...

  4. The Rad Fems

    The Rad Fems

    5 päivää sitten

    This was a dumb, bad call by the FIA. This was precisely the opposite issue from the side skirts/ground effect ruling in the late 70s; side skirts could make cornering more unpredictable, increasing danger, whereas the tuned mass dampers made the cars more predictable, even as they made them faster. This should be the exact kind of innovation that they should want to foster.

  5. Frank Burdo Drums

    Frank Burdo Drums

    5 päivää sitten

    It's hard to believe that such a small upgrade made that much of a difference. Tough to deny the footage of him overtaking people on turns like that.

  6. Rodrigo Terré

    Rodrigo Terré

    5 päivää sitten

    i could not be an f1 fan after all the bs the FIA keeps pulling over and over

  7. Sasha Z

    Sasha Z

    5 päivää sitten

    If only they put a fraction of their effort into making semi-trucks more efficient. it's not like they consume 100+ gallons of diesel each per day or anything...

  8. jpogi gtxcr1

    jpogi gtxcr1

    9 päivää sitten

    More car control means more safety. Why ban it?

  9. EnlightenedSavage

    EnlightenedSavage

    9 päivää sitten

    This idea was not stolen from a building. This is understanding physics. The gentleman who designed and built this is Dr. Rob Tuluie an unrivaled chassis engineer and astrophysicist. Who also happens to be a friend of mine. This is a physics principle at its base and was applied as needed.

  10. Alex Galvis

    Alex Galvis

    10 päivää sitten

    fenando alonsa debe devolver los 2 titulos ganados

  11. Sci Modeler

    Sci Modeler

    10 päivää sitten

    So FIA basically banned it because other constructors couldn't perfectly copy it from Renault's LoL

  12. Becoz

    Becoz

    11 päivää sitten

    Bullshit regulations...

  13. Treasure Hunting

    Treasure Hunting

    11 päivää sitten

    I knew Alonso wasnt the fastests driver when he won the world championship. Just like Vettel and Hamilton. F1 is a scam

  14. Sean Wang

    Sean Wang

    11 päivää sitten

    Thank you for the honorable mention about 101, hahaha.

  15. Pablo Villegas

    Pablo Villegas

    12 päivää sitten

    Renault should have left F1 after that decision. And F1 would have died, like it should.

  16. Arvid S.R

    Arvid S.R

    13 päivää sitten

    If it wasn't dangerous it should have stayed, even made it safer right? Regulations shouldn't remove things randomly because it benefits some more then others. All the other teams could copy the tech, no?

  17. RacerInTraining

    RacerInTraining

    13 päivää sitten

    simple question here but how did they found out about this system?

  18. What Comes Around™

    What Comes Around™

    13 päivää sitten

    FIA: Makes new regulations that make cars less stable F1 team: Makes device to make the car more stable FIA: 😯

  19. Branko Dimitrijevic

    Branko Dimitrijevic

    13 päivää sitten

    Why was it banned? Why didn't they just put the tech in f1

  20. Maximus Capacitus

    Maximus Capacitus

    13 päivää sitten

    Presumably the complaint was initiated by Ferrari.

  21. philip wakeham

    philip wakeham

    13 päivää sitten

    the original Citroen 2cv had tuned mass dampers- because it was a car designed for peasant farmers and conventional dampers were to bourgeois

  22. Sean Raynon Sabado

    Sean Raynon Sabado

    15 päivää sitten

    Does the driver know THE *SECRET* TRICK(s) on the car they drive?

  23. Andy H

    Andy H

    15 päivää sitten

    Just drive a 300mph hyper car. F1 are so yesterday. Men in go karts.

  24. Carlos Marquez

    Carlos Marquez

    15 päivää sitten

    De tu querido Hamilton no hablas?

  25. João Fernandes

    João Fernandes

    16 päivää sitten

    It would be interesting to know what actually motivates the FAA to ban stuff like this.

  26. lil hotdog

    lil hotdog

    17 päivää sitten

    This is why I can’t get behind f1... they kill innovation. The very thing that makes things better. That’s like an oxymoron.

  27. J. M. Pérez

    J. M. Pérez

    17 päivää sitten

    Why do they ban good things? It doesn't make sense! I mean if it caused accidents then, yes ban it. But if it improves racing let it be!

  28. my Self

    my Self

    18 päivää sitten

    The Citroen 2cv had been using this system since 1948 It's funny how old ideas come around again 😎

  29. iodineclip

    iodineclip

    18 päivää sitten

    wonder how F1 would look if nothing was ever banned. probably very expensive, but imagine the technological marvel it would have given birth to.

  30. K FOR KHANNAGE

    K FOR KHANNAGE

    18 päivää sitten

    Id love to see f1 un ban everything just to see how far teams go

  31. MPB

    MPB

    18 päivää sitten

    FIA: making the car more difficult and dangerous to drive Renault: fixes it, making it safer for the driver FIA: you weren’t supposed to do that

  32. xyzain _

    xyzain _

    19 päivää sitten

    The mass doesn't move the other way, it technically just resists movement until it overcomes inertia

  33. CDR 011

    CDR 011

    20 päivää sitten

    fkin FIA killing good ideas

  34. JuusoH

    JuusoH

    21 päivä sitten

    The damper sure was good, but that's not what won Alonso the 2005 title, it was the shitty reliability of that years McLaren, and to counter that the overall consistency of the Renault car.

  35. Boktorinator

    Boktorinator

    21 päivä sitten

    F1 is so retarded Why do they feel the need to stop every cool innovation

  36. Surferant666

    Surferant666

    22 päivää sitten

    A good presentation ruined by too many adverts and bullshit self promos.. Thumbs down and good bye

  37. naff 9n43

    naff 9n43

    23 päivää sitten

    They should be making a new sport with no restrictions for technological advancement and call it Formula ZERO

  38. Paul Sheenius

    Paul Sheenius

    23 päivää sitten

    Renault: FIA: Consistency? Safety? We dont want any of that here!

  39. Kramforts

    Kramforts

    23 päivää sitten

    "Dominated"... The McLaren was faster, but the realiability made the more constant Renault a winner. Not only that, the FIA permitted this system, but when they wanted Michael Schumacher to win his last World Title, they banned it during mid-season. Cannot remember a mid-season ban since air fans in the back of the car to suck the air under it in the 80s... That's why sometimes the FIA sucks. The double diffuser, the blown diffuser, active suspension, active electronics like TCS... all of that was banned after the end of the season.

  40. Malcador the Sigillite

    Malcador the Sigillite

    23 päivää sitten

    We invented a new technology that helps us go faster. F1 ban it.

  41. Tyler L

    Tyler L

    24 päivää sitten

    Im going to say now, just like with ads and percentages or whatever, they will become irrelevant but you want growth in your channel. In short this video will feel like a specific time than timeless. Also what counts as a view?

  42. MustachioedW OOO

    MustachioedW OOO

    27 päivää sitten

    So simple it's genius.

  43. Mr Hoax

    Mr Hoax

    27 päivää sitten

    fuck...talking talking until die

  44. Spam Can

    Spam Can

    27 päivää sitten

    "Movable aerodynamic device" is absurd. Just ban it under the guise of keeping costs down or something.

  45. Nelson Lauren

    Nelson Lauren

    27 päivää sitten

    So without that damper he would have no titles. It’s all about the car.

  46. Frozen Soul

    Frozen Soul

    29 päivää sitten

    The sheer number of "F1 ___________ So Good It Was Banned" videos. You'd think they'd just stop bothering to hold races.

  47. Hugo Li

    Hugo Li

    Uukausi sitten

    in one min 39 is the driver flipping someone off?

  48. Justin Howell

    Justin Howell

    Uukausi sitten

    F1 should allow teams 1-2 seasons of advantage an item then they have to open source it for next season. Not only eliminates advantages kinda but lets the whole sport grow as a whole.

  49. Discipline of Seclusion

    Discipline of Seclusion

    Uukausi sitten

    imagine the guy who made the decision to outlaw this genius invention and then going home to tell his wife about his daily accomplishment

  50. Sao Sao

    Sao Sao

    Uukausi sitten

    Thanks bro good job, now i Know 👍

  51. Bill Hamilton

    Bill Hamilton

    Uukausi sitten

    Nope

  52. Schulzy

    Schulzy

    Uukausi sitten

    F1 would be a lot more enjoyable without restrictions

  53. Googl Reviews

    Googl Reviews

    Uukausi sitten

    By banning some innovations, F1 discourages innovation rather than encouraging it. What are the odds that if this was a British team and British driver, they would allow it. F1 has always been plagued by politics and corruption and I am sure to some degree it still is. Great video and explanation 👍

  54. Amex Paypal

    Amex Paypal

    Uukausi sitten

    The detailed psychiatrist pathogenetically found because ellipse preoperatively muddle round a flawless russian. neat, woozy ant

  55. calska140

    calska140

    Uukausi sitten

    Innovating a brand new idea is the greatest thing in engineering but stealing an idea from a different branch of engineering is a close second.

  56. Rey Carroll

    Rey Carroll

    Uukausi sitten

    you almost got It right all skyscrapers have mass damper Taipei 101 just has It visible and the area of tire on the ground does not change friction only the downforce and the coalition of friction of the tier

  57. 666ImI666

    666ImI666

    Uukausi sitten

    Clipboard warriors at it again hindering progress in the name of fairness.

  58. Harri Lahdensuo

    Harri Lahdensuo

    Uukausi sitten

    they had ca. 150 hp more in engine..this is smoke&mirror..they were cheating so hard

  59. Golden Crypto Supreme

    Golden Crypto Supreme

    Uukausi sitten

    Alonso is a hypocrite, he had the best car every year he won the championship, yet talks shit about Hamilton and Vettel only winning because of their car lol

  60. Mike Sokolow

    Mike Sokolow

    Uukausi sitten

    Try driving a new truck, towing an 83 Cadillac, after making your own towing setup in a motel parking lot, from Wisconson, in holliday traffic, to the coast of N.C. , in ice , and snow ,all the way to Raliegh, with the wife and kids. F1, with a whole team of people around you, in nice weather....ok.

  61. Grumpy Modeler

    Grumpy Modeler

    Uukausi sitten

    "To counteract the swaying of Alonso"

  62. Gavin Allen

    Gavin Allen

    Uukausi sitten

    This is why i stick to street racing and no prep drag racing

  63. THROTTLE POWER

    THROTTLE POWER

    Uukausi sitten

    Great video!!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍

  64. Zachary Devan

    Zachary Devan

    Uukausi sitten

    Id almost bet it was one engineer on the team that thought of this himself.

  65. Daniel Anderson

    Daniel Anderson

    Uukausi sitten

    I had this idea when i was like. 6. Then my dad said it was stupid and that was that.

  66. cyclesalt557

    cyclesalt557

    Uukausi sitten

    Why does f1 ban innovation all the time?

  67. Certified Fresh

    Certified Fresh

    Uukausi sitten

    F1 is bullshit, every improvement or innovation just gets banned the next year

  68. Alejandro Ruiz

    Alejandro Ruiz

    Uukausi sitten

    Great video. Just a little clarification. Mass dumper wasnt' banned for 2007 but in 2006 with 5 races remaining. Alonso had to run 5 races without it in a car designed to have the mass dumper. In my view that was a flagrant and unfair attempt by FIA and Ferrari (that by that time had a lot of influence in FIA's decisions) to give the championship to a retiring Schumacher.

  69. JakobusVdL

    JakobusVdL

    Uukausi sitten

    Sounds like it should be a useful innovation for most vehicles with suspension. Do you know if it has been picked up and applied in any other racing series, or road vehicles? I could envisage it would be really useful in an off road vehicle

  70. Dmk Mn

    Dmk Mn

    Uukausi sitten

    This is like a real life physics glitch

  71. BABIS FOTOS

    BABIS FOTOS

    Uukausi sitten

    super brilliant invention . now alonso is returning to f1, but without these devices on his disposal ...

  72. Laktosfritt

    Laktosfritt

    Uukausi sitten

    F1 rules are stupid

  73. Raimonster

    Raimonster

    Uukausi sitten

    FIA was full of shait: it was not ’a movable aerodynamic device’. Politics. No need to copy ideas from Taipei, all trained engineers come up with these kind of ideas. Even I contemplated this kind of device for F1’s just by watching the races. The oscillation of the front was obvious. (I’m an electronics engineer; stability is of great concern in our field)

  74. TRU BLU DRU

    TRU BLU DRU

    Uukausi sitten

    85% are probably 1 0r 2 time viewers if you are lucked

  75. Lane Boy

    Lane Boy

    Uukausi sitten

    I love automotive engineering

  76. Tristan Wegner

    Tristan Wegner

    Uukausi sitten

    Your explanation and animation of the dampening is wrong. 2:48 You say and show the weight moves in the opposite direction of the building. But the weight moves IN the direction of the building, so the building has to do so less. Look at the video of practical engineering for a prove. It makes sense, if you think about the leg movement on a swing on a playground.

  77. Joshua Amado

    Joshua Amado

    Uukausi sitten

    FIA bans fucking everything. Honestly whats the point

  78. Wilbert Yuen

    Wilbert Yuen

    Uukausi sitten

    It's so funny any device getting around rules on any teams are Genius (Mass Damper, DAS) and should not be banned, except for Ferrari, everyone jumping up and shouting.

  79. Taut Tech / Minus Managed Music

    Taut Tech / Minus Managed Music

    Uukausi sitten

    Lewis Hamilton's head forms a movable aerodynamic device, it should be banned and removed.

  80. KK 44

    KK 44

    Uukausi sitten

    Why FIA ban this technology? Isn’t F1 about the best n the fastest? If they keep banning tech F1 is no longer improving. It’s has hit a plateau

  81. plan je

    plan je

    Uukausi sitten

    - it is game - it is war - it is some competition _ whom they are to say to them what you have what not - except some fair judge shall be worried about "they have same strength power force" _ I would be wanted to say to them so much cc engine - what else I have is my business not yours and then I want not be participate who care about yours _ some bunch of idiots whom think everyone must be on same level stupid _ there is not way to participate in such competition because is only meant for stupid's _ head case in world all times among everything - invent something to reach your target before anyone _ head case in my case whom one is best upon best to be called mom and you can calling your girl a women - ok in my case all of them failed to the trash reasons is not so much important

  82. Adam Petten

    Adam Petten

    Uukausi sitten

    Interesting Kimi won once it was banned.

  83. The Voices Told Me To Again

    The Voices Told Me To Again

    Uukausi sitten

    All this tech that they ban, i find silly to do so. The whole point is to be faster. If you can build a better car, whats the problem. Isnt that part of the competition?

  84. Isaac Rodríguez

    Isaac Rodríguez

    Uukausi sitten

    How exactly was Renault dominant? 🤔

  85. bridgo

    bridgo

    Uukausi sitten

    Has anyone ever developed a car that incorporates all of these banned technologies into one track weapon. Not to compete, just to see what happens

  86. Reso205

    Reso205

    Uukausi sitten

    They only banned it because they were beating F(ERRARI).I.A.

  87. mlouis035

    mlouis035

    Uukausi sitten

    The drunk oil simplistically program because risk cellularly confess towards a burly ketchup. breakable, faithful sneeze

  88. nimay13

    nimay13

    Uukausi sitten

    Nobody: FIA: It's too good! Banned!

  89. უწმინდური მამაო ღორმენ

    უწმინდური მამაო ღორმენ

    Uukausi sitten

    renault was almost never dominant even in 06 tires pull them through 05 mclrn was faster and 06 ferarri on michles god knows what would be

  90. lenster1971

    lenster1971

    Uukausi sitten

    The driver's head is a movable aerodynamic device. . .

  91. Bartosz Capek

    Bartosz Capek

    Uukausi sitten

    The idea of Mr Lagiewka patented

  92. teipple star

    teipple star

    Uukausi sitten

    This was an awesome explanation. Thank you!!! Just subscribed.😁

  93. Miata Money

    Miata Money

    Uukausi sitten

    The mass actually resists the motion due to its inertia, it doesn't initially move in the opposite direction it just appears to due to relative motion

  94. Samuel Lacks

    Samuel Lacks

    Uukausi sitten

    Freak n genius. Why would the sanctioning body be against something safer?

  95. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Uukausi sitten

    I hate these stupid regulations, they ruin F1..

  96. Daniel Gregson

    Daniel Gregson

    Uukausi sitten

    This should absolutely be a standard part because it makes the car safer

  97. El Chapulin

    El Chapulin

    Uukausi sitten

    This is not from some building, this was copied from the 2 CV lol!

  98. BoxBoxNow

    BoxBoxNow

    Uukausi sitten

    Time to time FIA trying to stop innovation to push another innovation to invent

  99. Raul Cid

    Raul Cid

    Uukausi sitten

    Damm! This is Amazing! I imagine a more modern version of this technology with gyroscopic sensors controlling the vibration angles, because the force is not 100% up/down In the curves. If the force can be predicted seconds in advance, the air pressure inside the mechanism can be adjusted to improve dampening.

  100. Donald Moser

    Donald Moser

    Uukausi sitten

    A few years ago Ford was having problems with F-150 side mirrors breaking off their future model test vehicles at high speed. We developed a tuned mass damper to solve the problem. Unfortunately, it never went into the final production vehicles.

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