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Why F1 Suspension Doesn't Use Coil Springs!

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My Dad runs a race team and prepares F1 cars for private clients. Today we got the amazing opportunity to see a 2000 Benetton up close, as well as have the amazing engineering explained by Big Kev! We shows the secrets behind the how F1 suspension is so light, how the gearbox is used to mount the suspension and why the exhausts are so curly!
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00:00 Meeting Big Kev
00:45 Torsion Bars Yes, Coils No
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03:17 Why So Curly?
07:18 The Gearbox is a Stressed Member?

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  1. Driver61

    Driver61

    4 kuukautta sitten

    Big thanks to Ridge for sending me this wallet and supporting the channel! Here’s the site if you want to check them out! > ridge.com/DRIVER61 Who want's to see more of Big Kev in future videos?

    • Blind Freddy

      Blind Freddy

      2 kuukautta sitten

      Not if you keep screwing his knowledge about

    • Thunder_Mouse_2014

      Thunder_Mouse_2014

      2 kuukautta sitten

      I LOVE the segment about the exhaust system!! I credit my late Dad for my interest in motorsport and classical music, though I never had the capacity to do anything with either. SO, when I was very young (1981-ish) watching some motorsporting this or that on T.V. with him, I saw the "bowl of spaghetti" pipes on the engine. I had been under the hood of the ol' '63 Chevy handing him wrenches a lot already and knew they were exhaust pipes, but Dad's manifold didn't look like that. I asked why they look so weird and he muted the T.V., took me outside and popped the hood and explained so that my 6 year old brain could grasp the basic why of it and why his was different, etc. What he didn't do is the typical dad reply: "Cause it works better, shut up or go play outside." The video did clarify some more like engine tuning that I never really got.

    • Burnsy

      Burnsy

      2 kuukautta sitten

      Just give your pop the channel, he’d do more interesting things with it than milk his fathers knowledge and act like he knows as well.

    • neeklaus

      neeklaus

      3 kuukautta sitten

      Let's see more of that Benetton! Get it on the track :)

    • En Fuego Entertainment

      En Fuego Entertainment

      3 kuukautta sitten

      Interesting. Torsion bars were used on early tank suspensions as well.

  2. Compte google

    Compte google

    3 päivää sitten

    The five-in-one header work like a Bernouilli pump so that the flow from one cylinder will create low pressure in all the other cylinder tubes to suck out the exhaust when the valve opens.

  3. Colin Gantiglew

    Colin Gantiglew

    7 päivää sitten

    I run a 1950 car as a fun vehicle (Jowett Javelin). If you remove the rear seat cush, you can see the torsion bars running the width of the car. Interesting to see how much shorter they are now, even allowing for the difference between road and race cars. Some dishonest bird-cage gentleman once put my dad off keeping a Wolseley 6/80; said the torsion suspension was "about to collapse". Wanted to sell him another car.

  4. John Jones

    John Jones

    7 päivää sitten

    Douglas motorcycles had torsion bar rear suspension back in the 1940`s.

  5. Gabe Shaw

    Gabe Shaw

    13 päivää sitten

    Your audio quality is terrible. Invest in some better equiptment

  6. 8power0

    8power0

    13 päivää sitten

    I LOVE THIS CHANNEL , I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS KIND OF F1 CONTENT FOR SO LONG THANK YOU SO MUCH FROM THE BAHAMAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. David Allison

    David Allison

    16 päivää sitten

    Great video, what is that pleasant background music?

  8. Jonki Pastramki

    Jonki Pastramki

    18 päivää sitten

    The unused acrylic supposedly manage because sky additonally colour via a talented energy. standing, cut anger

  9. vicpico1

    vicpico1

    19 päivää sitten

    Hi! Notice in the picture, suspension is same as concept of Volswagen suspension rod or bar used in an vintage/old beetle.. lol. Thanks for sharing.

  10. Wyatt Friedrich

    Wyatt Friedrich

    19 päivää sitten

    Whoever produced this needs to be fired, too much misinformation.

  11. Alain Pascal

    Alain Pascal

    20 päivää sitten

    But, but... You did not asked your dad the million $$ question about the exhaust system ;-) If the collector is the first restriction point, why have it at all? Why not remove it and have 5 separate exhausts on each sides? No restriction at all!

  12. Phil

    Phil

    20 päivää sitten

    Host "observes" that the exhaust headers are all different lengths. Dad explains that they are, in fact the same length which is why they look the way they do. Host then reiterates that he thinks they're all different lengths. What a dope.

  13. I diot

    I diot

    21 päivä sitten

    The front end is almost an exactly copy of a 1962 Jaguar E type which is on torsion bars and double A arms.

  14. CDR 011

    CDR 011

    21 päivä sitten

    why are rear suspensions connected with that small bars between them?

  15. Kalder

    Kalder

    23 päivää sitten

    Is it just me or are there more people wondering how many YT'ers ridge wallet has asked to promote their wallet.

  16. spiKey0svetlana

    spiKey0svetlana

    25 päivää sitten

    I pretty much like any mechanical video. But title is about torsion bars and you spent maybe 20% of the time on that subject. More on exhaust and packaging. Also you could insert an animation for better understanding. I still liked the vid very much! 👍

  17. Topi Rantala

    Topi Rantala

    25 päivää sitten

    I am confused with that car number "7" and the driver info G.Fisichella and A.Wurz it should be different number or A.Wurz should be J.Button

  18. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard

    Uukausi sitten

    the quality of the welds on those headers is surreal, given that inconel is so hard to weld and prone to cracking in the process

  19. Muhhamad Raza

    Muhhamad Raza

    Uukausi sitten

    Btw, explosion is not the correct terminology. It's combustion. Very different as explosion is uncontrolled and high entropy.

  20. Peter Van den Meerssche

    Peter Van den Meerssche

    Uukausi sitten

    Because it uses Renault 4 technology?

  21. Akademia Gitary - W Szponach Gitary

    Akademia Gitary - W Szponach Gitary

    Uukausi sitten

    I love this series

  22. Martin Comiot

    Martin Comiot

    Uukausi sitten

    I love Scott’s enthusiasm, a couple of cold hours trying to remove the original torsion bars from a rusty Morris Minor has killed all mine off, thank God Lord Nuffield said no to putting them on the back and hurrah for angle grinders.

  23. Karl Schuneman

    Karl Schuneman

    Uukausi sitten

    What's old is new again, Chrysler used Torsion Bars in production in the 1960's and 1970's

  24. Aladin Gohar

    Aladin Gohar

    Uukausi sitten

    I could listen to your dad talk about cars all day long

  25. Michiel Noback

    Michiel Noback

    Uukausi sitten

    Ingenieus ontwikkeling ?? Renault 4 had al torsie-staafjes. Toe nou toch !!

  26. bigjd2k

    bigjd2k

    Uukausi sitten

    Could they have variable primary pipe lengths to get a wider power band?

  27. Toms short movies

    Toms short movies

    Uukausi sitten

    Not everything on a racing car works well on a normal car. The front suspension on a Morris Marina was a long tortion bar design.

  28. Bill

    Bill

    Uukausi sitten

    It uses torsion bars almost identical to what VW/Porsche used during WWII, never mind ‘modern’ cars. 😂

  29. J Garbo

    J Garbo

    Uukausi sitten

    A coil spring IS a torsion bar, my good man. Coil springs are NOT compressed, they are twisted. My BSc MechEng was in Suspension and Transmission design.

  30. mikeleke0

    mikeleke0

    Uukausi sitten

    Nothing new here.

  31. odl21

    odl21

    Uukausi sitten

    And a 1940’s Vincent bike has the engine as a structural member....

  32. odl21

    odl21

    Uukausi sitten

    911s has torsion bar suspension until fairly recently

  33. Steve Kisinga

    Steve Kisinga

    Uukausi sitten

    mad respect for the content but man! the audio quality in that first part is just shit

  34. Paul S

    Paul S

    Uukausi sitten

    Oh and no way will I have a hard case wallet wearing the fabric out in my pants. that's the reason for leather wallets for 200 years. bad vid sponsorship

  35. Paul S

    Paul S

    Uukausi sitten

    title: why F1 cars don't use coil springs, then begins by showing F1 coil springs...

  36. 이승현

    이승현

    Uukausi sitten

    좋은 정보 감사. Good 👍

  37. NickZero

    NickZero

    Uukausi sitten

    The rear is the only special setup. Its a cantalever system. The torsion bar setup is used on lots of regular consumer vehicles

  38. ACreamyMeme

    ACreamyMeme

    Uukausi sitten

    For anyone talking about this guy repeating himself about thedamn headers. It’s not always easy covering this stuff, as much as I love and have learned about cars I can say I still forget what VTEC means LOL, having this guy giving us a pretty damn good look at an f1 car and giving him shitfor repeating himself a few times is a pretty low blow. Go write up a script and do it better than he can then you can talk.

  39. Don Allen

    Don Allen

    Uukausi sitten

    Torsion bars? Like Chrysler started using in the 50”s?

  40. stamps

    stamps

    Uukausi sitten

    My 1967 Morris Minor 1000 had torsion bar suspension.

  41. Billy Tsik

    Billy Tsik

    Uukausi sitten

    So, why not have a separate exhaust for each of the cylinder. You would end up with 10 tubes at the rear (would look VERY COOL) Why you need a collector ?

  42. Seung Yun Song

    Seung Yun Song

    Uukausi sitten

    Fascinating. Torsion spring at the front suspension is quite interesting since it reduces weight, cost, and packaging difficulty. But, how does the front suspension dampen the forces? I'd imagine there needs to be some dampening mechanism to prevent the front of the car from oscillating continuously. Would the damping due to tires and other components suffice?

  43. Claudio Campi

    Claudio Campi

    Uukausi sitten

    Your dad is awesome

  44. Juan Colon

    Juan Colon

    Uukausi sitten

    whole video im like, stop touching the damn wing!! thats not a wall to be leaning on... 🤣🤣🤣 the disrespect is real

  45. Bruno Danese

    Bruno Danese

    Uukausi sitten

    PLEASE make more videos like this

  46. Pasi Fsc

    Pasi Fsc

    Uukausi sitten

    I have 57 years old (this year 2021) car that has torsion bar front suspension.

  47. Nick H

    Nick H

    Uukausi sitten

    That would be sick to have a late 80s early 90s f1 car

  48. Gábor Miklay

    Gábor Miklay

    Uukausi sitten

    So, coil springs were replaced by torsion bars. If the 2000 Benetton's front suspension already used torsion bars, then I assume the 2009 Brawn's had torsion bars on the rear's suspension. Although, anti roll bars could still use coil spring. I think. So, no mystery if that suspension collapses.

  49. Roedor

    Roedor

    Uukausi sitten

    why not let every piston have it's own exhaust pipe? regulations? saving space?

  50. Aldas Grigaliunas

    Aldas Grigaliunas

    2 kuukautta sitten

    "This car is 20 years old or so" - me thinking that looks awfully modern for something from 80s/90s!... "This is from early 2000s..." oh, now I feel old.

  51. courcheveller

    courcheveller

    2 kuukautta sitten

    I have that F1 technology in my Renault Laguna street car.

  52. CHARLEE SANTOS

    CHARLEE SANTOS

    2 kuukautta sitten

    One of the 5 F1 cars is an F2 car 🤨>😕>🤯 This video shows that an F1 car is 4 wheels attached to an [engine attached to a tub], all connected together

  53. Mark Battista

    Mark Battista

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Your Dad has a great shop , Thanks for sharing it.

  54. Matthew Bridges

    Matthew Bridges

    2 kuukautta sitten

    “This is an early 2000s car”. But the tech looks like it’s from today. Insane minds.

  55. Dennis K

    Dennis K

    2 kuukautta sitten

    All the exhaust pipes are cylindrical. The end of the exhaust pipe, though, is oblong. Does this restrict the volume of gasses existing this shape versus the cylindrical sections?

  56. Alistair Morrish

    Alistair Morrish

    2 kuukautta sitten

    The headers are the SAME length...listen to your Dad.

  57. patrick dean

    patrick dean

    2 kuukautta sitten

    equal lenth exhuast

  58. patrick dean

    patrick dean

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Oldsmobile tornados used torsion bar suspension in the front also

  59. sik59rt

    sik59rt

    2 kuukautta sitten

    If they're using those tiny torsion bars now, does it make it difficult to select the spring rate you want ?

  60. Vortigan07

    Vortigan07

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Oh! I'd always assumed that his dad was......never mind, I imagine it's been mentioned before.

  61. Revener666

    Revener666

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Torsion bar springs are used on most trailers and caravans.

  62. Tetta Zwo

    Tetta Zwo

    2 kuukautta sitten

    There are two (rear) coils springs visible and explained...

  63. Brad Pittman

    Brad Pittman

    2 kuukautta sitten

    I would say the exhaust system like that sweet as header is less about flow but more about scavenging with that collector. Just my 2 cents. Very cool vid.

  64. Snaker Stran

    Snaker Stran

    2 kuukautta sitten

    My 20 plus year old Ford pickup had torsion bar front suspension. It probably wouldn't place high in F1, unless there was a lot of mud and snow on the track.

  65. Rhys Woodman

    Rhys Woodman

    2 kuukautta sitten

    "Tell everyone how it works dad" Proceeds to talk over his dad and tell us how it works.🤣

  66. Aaron Tate

    Aaron Tate

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Kinda disapointed you didnt eplain the stressed block and gearbox casing being part of the chassis..

  67. Mad Irishman

    Mad Irishman

    2 kuukautta sitten

    You don't have "explosions" in an engine. It's called deflagration. Detonation is exploding fuel charge that breaks things.

  68. Chris Garvey

    Chris Garvey

    2 kuukautta sitten

    At 4:25 the son says, "If they were the same lengths they wouldn't come out, they'd all bang together." Wrong! They are all the same lengths. The pistons fire at different times and the exhaust pulses travel the same distances to arrive at the collector at different times. The pulses don't bang together. The pipes that start closer to the collector need to be curved to be the same length as from the farthest cylinder.

  69. Driving In Dreams

    Driving In Dreams

    2 kuukautta sitten

    🥂

  70. sonicstep

    sonicstep

    2 kuukautta sitten

    05:35, thinking of two cylinders, you'd want the gases from one cylinder leaving as tother is nearing the exit of the junction so that it pulls the newly emerging gas out.

  71. Neil Pincus

    Neil Pincus

    2 kuukautta sitten

    A coil spring is just a very long torsion bar wrapped around itself. It still works by twisting. And your mixture should never explode. It burns in a very precisely controlled way.

  72. B Kopp

    B Kopp

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Great video. Thank you. Merry Christmas to you and your family.

  73. cavagna

    cavagna

    2 kuukautta sitten

    “It’s loither”

  74. BHR Behavioral Health Racing

    BHR Behavioral Health Racing

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Thanks

  75. mikeyb byekim

    mikeyb byekim

    2 kuukautta sitten

    1:20 say whuuut..?? Is is is.... and and and.... funny but not bashing him

  76. Valleyboii818 Bikes

    Valleyboii818 Bikes

    2 kuukautta sitten

    You guys don’t even seem like you’re related like the way you guys talk to each other

  77. John Holden

    John Holden

    2 kuukautta sitten

    In reality the weight of the spring alone vs torsion bar is negligible. The question really is, where is the front shock or what type of apparatus is used to control jounce and rebound?

  78. Filthy Rethuglicans

    Filthy Rethuglicans

    2 kuukautta sitten

    The magic happens under this cover i"m not taking off, instead, I'll draw a shitty representation. How. Fucking.Stupid.

  79. Daniel Oakfield

    Daniel Oakfield

    2 kuukautta sitten

    I'd love to see more tech and real cars original footage like this one, and your father is a great addition to the show!!

  80. Conrad Paul

    Conrad Paul

    2 kuukautta sitten

    VW beetle uses a torsion bar...

  81. M

    M

    2 kuukautta sitten

    YOU DON'T HAVE THE MOUSTACHE TO CALL YOURSELF A MANSELL SIR !!!

  82. Tbest HotBowl

    Tbest HotBowl

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Why not just, have 5 separate exit exhausts for each side? Maybe 3? Idk anything about this but seems like it could be just way lighter. Kinda like drag???

  83. Laura Gonzalez

    Laura Gonzalez

    2 kuukautta sitten

    The cheerful ship anecdotally wave because shallot evidently curl circa a chunky postbox. victorious, proud gram

  84. Mad Rooky

    Mad Rooky

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Wow, i only understood half of the technical terms in english, but i still learned a lot about the rear end of a F1 car.

  85. Mick D

    Mick D

    2 kuukautta sitten

    The wire in a coil spring twists EXACTLY the same as a torsion bar. Same principle, but merely wound into a coil to fit the design. This is why there are hard rubber/plastic SEATS at each end of a coil spring - it preventthje coil TWIST wearing out the metal in the arms, etc. Don't believe? Get a small coil spring and clamp the wire on one end. Now, compress it, watch the wire TWIST.

  86. 1D0N

    1D0N

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Next time, remove all cowling beforehand so we can see the magic. Advertisement seem to not match the channel at all. Nonetheless, some nice info here.

  87. Louis Mingham

    Louis Mingham

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Wow f1 cars Technology is finally catching up to my 82 dasun truck it has torsion bars Suspension lol

  88. Timothy Martin

    Timothy Martin

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Cool, I didn't know torsion bars twisted that way - there you go!

  89. Wetley Rocks

    Wetley Rocks

    2 kuukautta sitten

    I was of the belief that it was necccesary to keep the manifold tubes the same lenghth. As the firng oder is non-uniform, the manifold should be kept the same length so that each cylinder exhaust doesn't 'clash' with its neighbour.

  90. jlinkels

    jlinkels

    2 kuukautta sitten

    You could not withstand the temptation to add background music although you were talking literally all the time, could you?

  91. Grissebassen

    Grissebassen

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Title: “why don’t f1 cars use coil springs?“ Literally the fist thing you see at 0:07

    • scott walton

      scott walton

      2 kuukautta sitten

      this whole video was packaged in a clickbaity way. didnt even answer the question at the end about why they put the springs on the gearbox, its to keep the weight as close to center of mass as possible.

  92. Isaiah Prins

    Isaiah Prins

    2 kuukautta sitten

    The cool thing with f1, is that a 20 year old car is still packed with technology unlike a 20 year old American nascar

  93. DavidGP

    DavidGP

    2 kuukautta sitten

    They ARE the same length. That's the whole point of it.

  94. gmofftarki

    gmofftarki

    2 kuukautta sitten

    So I'm still confused about the exhaust lengths. It sounded to me like your father was saying that the pipes prior to the collector needed to be the exact same length, which made sense to me since each cylinder (on one side of the bank, obviously) fires at a different time and thus the gases from that explosion would reach the collector at a different time. Meanwhile, you're saying that they're all different lengths in order to ensure that the exhaust from any given detonation reaches the collector at a unique point in time. Which way is it?

  95. Richard Black

    Richard Black

    2 kuukautta sitten

    My old Renault 4 had torsion-bar rear suspension. There weren't many other respects in which it resembled an F1 car, though.

  96. Diego Bob

    Diego Bob

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Is the Judd v10 the original engine? Do racers of vintage F1 cars often swap out the original engines for something more serviceable with more spare parts, I'd be curious to hear your Father's insights. Also what other parts/electronics do they swap out/eliminate to make them easier and less expensive to operate.

  97. Burger Birger

    Burger Birger

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Who new that a F1 car had the same front suspension as an old Nissan Terrano😁👍

  98. solaufein

    solaufein

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Excellent content. Thank you.

  99. TECHANALIZE -

    TECHANALIZE -

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Nice

  100. vishu sivaprasad

    vishu sivaprasad

    2 kuukautta sitten

    Alfred? Is that you?

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